tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post4665647428198196514..comments2023-11-11T06:44:14.098-08:00Comments on Living In The Bonus Round: Prop 8, Gay Marriage & Mormons.Steve Schalchlinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08151100118640317860noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-5683166311764647532008-11-09T17:38:00.000-08:002008-11-09T17:38:00.000-08:00Re: Act-Up: Unfortunately many of those Act-Up g...Re: Act-Up: Unfortunately many of those Act-Up guys have died. Some have just gotten a lot older and a little burned out. But some of us didn't die and have not gotten lazy. <BR/><BR/>There's a whole new generation out there to take up the lead in this fight and some of us old Act-Up guys are out there with them. This is a generation that grew up with Ellen and Rosie and Will and Grace. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-44961841074676036852008-11-09T12:52:00.000-08:002008-11-09T12:52:00.000-08:00Never underestimate your adversaries. It's a less...Never underestimate your adversaries. It's a lesson that I often forget myself.<BR/><BR/>Though I'll have to replay again for correction and clarification when I'm back on my own PC, but on GayUSA with Andy Humm and Ann Northrop, they said in Michigan opponents to same sex marriage conducted a similar campaign, they said they were perfectly okay with domestic partnerships, and no sooner than Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-60093531175738531562008-11-09T12:02:00.000-08:002008-11-09T12:02:00.000-08:00NG - you are right on - but we (people in CA) real...NG - you are right on - but we (people in CA) really felt that this was a done deal. It was'nt.<BR/><BR/>We are to blame, I am to blame for not getting out there and making sure. Can anyone say "wake up call"?<BR/><BR/>The demonstrations happening throughout the state makes me realize that equal rights are fought on the streets and in the courts - not in the ballot box. If it was up to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-72216708669658601612008-11-08T12:02:00.000-08:002008-11-08T12:02:00.000-08:00Wow, 28 comments!I'm glad to see people waking up ...Wow, 28 comments!<BR/><BR/>I'm glad to see people waking up to the realization after the fact.<BR/><BR/>Prop 8 failed on so many levels that it's beyond comprehension.<BR/><BR/>And it was mostly because there are too many people who should have and could have but did not.<BR/><BR/>Let's face it, Steve, everyone should have been on their A game on this one, no exceptions, and it just didn't happenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-65567399866778106162008-11-07T20:54:00.000-08:002008-11-07T20:54:00.000-08:00Demonstrations like this certainly do feed the ste...Demonstrations like this certainly do feed the stereotype of the in-your-face aspect of the gay community. Play my way or I'll scream until you do.<BR/><BR/>I suspect that it is exactly why so many groups are so opposed to gays. Based on the videos of this event, the stereotype appears to be the actual.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10683141716829709747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-69927673433856994012008-11-07T20:46:00.000-08:002008-11-07T20:46:00.000-08:00I am Mormon, and I advocate respect for homosexual...I am Mormon, and I advocate respect for homosexuals, as do many others of my faith. I mourn the hatred homosexuals face on a daily basis and pledge my efforts to eliminate wrongful hatred towards gays.<BR/><BR/>thetrying.wordpress.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-54283289700352063012008-11-07T20:14:00.000-08:002008-11-07T20:14:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14033556046143128191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-42657045719620210942008-11-07T18:04:00.000-08:002008-11-07T18:04:00.000-08:00I have no first hand knowledge of what it is like ...I have no first hand knowledge of what it is like to to have hate and fear hurled at me. I'm a christian though, who happens to follow a Christ who very boldly reached out to those on the fringes of society, or the folks considered to be misfits by the religious leaders of the day. The following is a quote from a Pastor whose devotionals I read<BR/><BR/> - "When our attention turns to those onLea Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18052409902425502536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-41343899253313121322008-11-07T15:46:00.000-08:002008-11-07T15:46:00.000-08:00Gay is the new black Lola, espacaly concidering th...Gay <B>is</B> the new black Lola, espacaly concidering the way Blacks (and Mormons) treated gays this election. P.S. Click my name.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-62540045545946305742008-11-07T15:43:00.000-08:002008-11-07T15:43:00.000-08:00Correction Steve Schalchin: It's Prop 8, Gay Marri...Correction Steve Schalchin: It's Prop 8, Gay Marriage, Mormons, <B>and Black Americans.</B> P.S. Click my name.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-86781354464165779032008-11-07T13:36:00.000-08:002008-11-07T13:36:00.000-08:00Ernie, I'm not saying you're a victim. What I'm sa...Ernie, I'm not saying you're a victim. <BR/><BR/>What I'm saying is that many of the people rioting in the streets since the election didn't even vote. Just over half of registered San Franciscans voted. I know not all SF'ans are gay, but still... LA count did just a bit better.<BR/><BR/>If you can't stand up for your own rights, why should the rest of the country?<BR/><BR/>The LGBT community hasAmy Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14363826528604660845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-11405722365607042932008-11-07T13:16:00.000-08:002008-11-07T13:16:00.000-08:00> You do realize that if homosexual marriage is...> You do realize that if homosexual marriage is passed as a federal law (which i'm sure it will be eventually), then it will be discrimination for churches and any religious group to not approve of it? Prop 8 would lead right to that.<BR/><BR/>Catholic churches are not compelled to marry divorced people. They won't be compelled to marry gays.<BR/><BR/>Freedom of religion is still a Steve Schalchlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08151100118640317860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-41142386306607812972008-11-07T13:02:00.000-08:002008-11-07T13:02:00.000-08:00and it's LGBT (Lesbians get 1st billing) and I am ...and it's LGBT (Lesbians get 1st billing) <BR/><BR/>and I am not a victim - just pissed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-50143422189095849982008-11-07T13:00:00.000-08:002008-11-07T13:00:00.000-08:00NO - they are just biggoted and hateful. SorryMy p...NO - they are just biggoted and hateful. <BR/><BR/>Sorry<BR/><BR/>My point was I was saddened by the fact that people I grew up with - I grew up in a black/latin neighborhood - would not think they were being discriminatory when voting for 8. <BR/><BR/>I knew people that lived in the south in the '50s and they told me stories about separate water fountains, sitting in the back of the bus, and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-88660583252164041622008-11-07T12:49:00.000-08:002008-11-07T12:49:00.000-08:00That's the kind of mindset that gets GLBT people i...That's the kind of mindset that gets GLBT people in trouble. If we act like victims, we'll be victims.Amy Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14363826528604660845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-21626010768635979842008-11-07T12:47:00.000-08:002008-11-07T12:47:00.000-08:00I think what we should do in CA is have a proposit...I think what we should do in CA is have a proposition to stop propositions! Props are a bad way to make law - mob rule is never good. (Want to sign my petition?<BR/>:-)<BR/><BR/>Why do we vote for a legislature? Aren't they supposed to make laws and the court rules on them? <BR/><BR/>Amy thanks for the fun afternoon of exchanging ideas!! <BR/><BR/>But I still don't think it's silly to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-83048228161409144782008-11-07T12:45:00.000-08:002008-11-07T12:45:00.000-08:00Also, you never answered my question - do you thin...Also, you never answered my question - do you think the white men over 65 were down trodden, as well?Amy Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14363826528604660845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-69397223476925666662008-11-07T12:33:00.000-08:002008-11-07T12:33:00.000-08:00Here's the thing... Prop 2 has NOTHING to do with ...Here's the thing... Prop 2 has NOTHING to do with Prop 8. Comparing them is silly. For many votes, Prop 8 has a HELL lot to do with how they value things in society than Prop 2. Sad, but true.Amy Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14363826528604660845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-87223776819506725002008-11-07T12:28:00.000-08:002008-11-07T12:28:00.000-08:00Amy - Not blaming anyone - just numbers that show ...Amy - <BR/><BR/>Not blaming anyone - just numbers that show how people who have been down trodden voted - it is just surprising, and it saddened me when I read those numbers - but blame someone heck no – if there is any blame to be made it is of our society that allows a minority to be persecuted (and I am sorry but I am feeling a bit persecuted) – but Prop 8 will be overturned – I am confident Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-5160242913741550172008-11-07T12:05:00.000-08:002008-11-07T12:05:00.000-08:001) Contrary to your belief, anonymous, most of the...1) Contrary to your belief, anonymous, most of the founding fathers wanted Christianity to have very little to do with the new country<BR/><BR/>2) I don't think people will be marrying animals any time soon. Animals aren't consenting adults.Amy Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14363826528604660845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-60632000058040334752008-11-07T12:03:00.000-08:002008-11-07T12:03:00.000-08:00You do realize that if homosexual marriage is pass...You do realize that if homosexual marriage is passed as a federal law (which i'm sure it will be eventually), then it will be discrimination for churches and any religious group to not approve of it? Prop 8 would lead right to that.<BR/><BR/>Our country was founded on Christianity and suddenly parts of it will be "discrimination"? Well when it passes we will have the people and animals getting Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-58473713575770616602008-11-07T11:47:00.000-08:002008-11-07T11:47:00.000-08:00Also, as long as we're blaming the Blacks, why don...Also, as long as we're blaming the Blacks, why don't we blame the white men over 65, who overwhelmingly voted for Prop 8? Or the 50% of college graduates? the 22% of liberals?Amy Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14363826528604660845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-44456150118332753462008-11-07T11:19:00.000-08:002008-11-07T11:19:00.000-08:00That's the kind of argument, I think, that does mo...That's the kind of argument, I think, that does more harm than good.<BR/><BR/>1) Comparing chicken rights to gay rights is nuts. No matter if the cages are bigger, we still eat them. Those of us who are comparing prop 8 to the Nuremberg laws are going WAY too far. <BR/><BR/>2) Blaming the Black voters is ridiculous, and so anti-the change all voted for on Tuesday. Many Black voters were Amy Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14363826528604660845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-50010987509182555472008-11-07T11:15:00.001-08:002008-11-07T11:15:00.001-08:00Because disguised bigotry almost never admits it o...Because disguised bigotry almost never admits it out loud.Steve Schalchlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08151100118640317860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11538131.post-6171694643375503452008-11-07T11:15:00.000-08:002008-11-07T11:15:00.000-08:0071% of African Americans in CA voted for Prop 8, 5...71% of African Americans in CA voted for Prop 8, 52% of Hispanics (which I am) in CA voted for Prop 8 - whether they are bigots or not, hateful or not, is not the point. You would think people who have been discriminated against would be less discriminatory - we found they are not. <BR/><BR/>On Tuesday, CA gave rights to animals (mainly chickens) in this state to be able to live a more humane Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com